When do you use the suffix jr

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Begin typing your search term above and press enter to search. Press ESC to cancel. Ben Davis May 8, Where do you put JR on an application? Where do you put JR when listing last name first? Is Jr or Sr part of legal name? How do you write a name with a JR certificate? How do you write Jr after a last name?

How do you write a senior name? How can I write my name in certificate? How do you write your name professionally? Do you need your middle name on your degree? Should your full name be on your diploma? This is soo good! Nice job. The cartoon camily trees really helped. I may say more accurately, only if she takes the name of her spouse. If she keeps her name she keeps her suffix. My father is DTS. My half brother who is now deceased was DTS Jr.

I am named JWS. II is used when you are named after someone other than your father Grandfather, Uncle, etc. It is simple. The first son is Jr. If any of those sons have boys the the numbers just continue IV, V, etc.

You would then have twins with the same names. Somewhat awkward. Your choice seems to be a give them the same name with different suffixes, b name one after you and cause the other to feel less important or c forego naming them after yourself and give them unique or slightly different family names. My son is the 1st of the 4th generation of William Henry Randolphs. His great grandfather was Jr. However, with each generation here in the U.

He and his wife are preparing to have a son, also named William Henry Randolph. In keeping with the tradition, he would be WHR, Jr. Everyone in our family disagrees with me but this is how it was explained to me by the matriarch of our family when my son was born. Unfortunately, she has passed so cannot verify. Am I correct or not? Name your son the VI. Yeah you would be V and your son would be VI. To make it formal you could change your birth certificates.

I just had a son I named him Dennis James Dougherty 3 after me and my father but my dad says he not a third is this true. His brothers name is Brandon Jeremy White. We live in the U. Yes II. Now believe me when I say that nicknames usually will stay around for a pretty long time. But they have always called them Sr and Jr then when the grandson was born. No one knew this for sure until I sent for his birth record from that was a hand written record.

Question- my husbands first son died at birth, he was a jr. Or will he need to be III? Yes, you are correct. Third is the written for of it so I guess third is the word for third.

I was born with 2 last names in another country but in my US citizenship papers and social i only have one last name…. Can i give my son my american name and he be a jr or wpuld have to be my 2 last names for him to be a jr. Since your name has been legally changed to that American name then yes. But only if you name him with your exact, full, legal name.

I am naming my son after my grandfather. Neither my father or me is named after him. Does any suffix apply? Me and my father have no Emmanuel in our name. I have a question my grandfather just died but he had two son one named Elijah and the other elisha my uncle elisha was named after my grandfather my uncle had a son named after him but my cousin is the 3rd I would like to name my son after my grandfather would that make my son the 4th or no.

Therefore, your son would be II. That would definitely make him the IV because it goes in chronological order and ignores the chain. My fathers older brother has a son ten years older than me, also named Michael Constantine Potts my older cousin. Therefore you are II, and so is your Cousin. You are the III. It goes in chronological order. Or if you want to completely ignore that your older, 1st cousin has the same name as you and call your by the same name then go for it because is sort of correct but not really recommended due to confusion.

So if my boyfriend and his dad have Same name. His dad is sr and he is Jr. If we have a boy and name him the same as his father and grandfather what would he be?

Your son is III. The article explains it better. He wants to name our first son Walter Ernest Perry V to keep his family name going. Do I absolutely have to keep the middle name the same in order for our son to be V? He wants to name our first son Walter Ernest V Perry to keep his family name going. My boyfriend and I were thinking about hyphenating our last names when we get married. If he was to legally change his name after we got married, would he still be the 2nd?

If his last name was no longer Williams but Thomas-Williams? First of all, if he is named after his father then he should be Jr. However, if he changes his name to a hyphenated one, then he will have no suffix. As long as they are alive and they are the 1st and 2nd. But only father and son or uncle or nephew or cousins can use numerals higher than II with Sr. And Jr. I hope you do your research after this. I am familiar with the standard you are going by, but this article claims very different.

Please read the article. Your husband can be II or Jr. However, legally hyphenating names changes the legacy and the surname changes to no suffix. They do not have the same name and therefore are not Sr. Im having a baby soon i wanted to name him after me im a jr. But my father isnt alive anymore so would my son be a jr and me a snr and would i have to do any changes to my name?

Your son will have to be III. When someone dies none of the suffixes change. Think about it logically, if you named you son Jr. The reason you have a suffix is to distinguish one person from another. If you start changing them you defeat that purpose.

Well, Harry, that is not exactly true. Because think about when someone was just the furst person with the name. But to answer your questions Rosendo, yes he coukd be a Jr because there is a rule up above that says that you can use both suffixes together and as long as it is a father or son or like an uncle or nephew or an older cousin and a younger cousin you can call one another Jr.

Naming him III is chronologically correct but you may refer to him as Jr or the younger at your discretion. Refer to Josiah:. He is IV. No double suffixes and no changing suffixes along the way. Once you have a specific suffix it is yours alone forever. Think about it logically, if you change suffixes you would be confused with other people.

Any legal document regarding one person would apply to the other. There may be laws against this. But in this case he would not have the same name as you because your legal name is your name without the suffix so he would not be a Jr. Only if he has the exact same name as you would this be true. Also there is no point in this. The only reason there was ever siffixes, anything like patranyms or bynames was because they wanted to be able to identify one another from each other.

But what you could do is name your son with your name and give him the suffix IV and use both IV and Jr. He is the III.

The suffix II is used when named after a relative other than the father. If the father has that exact name and is not already a II himself then yes, his son would be a II.

They are the same thing and you also can use both or which ever you prefer. Yes, you can. Any legal document from the father would apply to the misnamed son. Ok, so, I have read this several times and hope I have read it right. And the grandfather becomes the I after his son dies to not imply that he is still alive. After you get married and it changes your name, you are no longer a junior or II because the name is not exactly the same. As long as they are exactly the same you are a junior or II.

My father is still alive. But 2nd is on my ID so i will continue to be wrong. Not necessarily. When a father dies a Jr. This differentiates family members on legal documents. Your father may have been thinking ahead. What is his reasoning for naming you II instead of Jr.? And will theirs change to l and ll? Thanks in advance. You can use either one or both. Until your father dies.

Then you should always use II. It may just be a social occurrence. Because family issues. I have my own name but in the future I plan on naming my son after me because I have a strong name. My name is Sulaiman Bilal Clinkscale. But on all my documents I put S.

Bilal Clinkscale, I. I think the Roman numeral name suffixes sound better on my name. The only name I like is my hero Dr. King, He was named after his father so he was Jr. But I think Jr. Fits his name. I think his name sounds better with the Roman numeral suffix II. Than the traditional Jr. I just love name suffixes. Since i put my middle name to it. John James Smith, Sr.

James Leonard Shores, Jr. Shores, Leonard, Jr. No, you are technically not a Jr. Though not everyone holds onto the rules completely, I guess. If my husbands name is Christopher Roger Cuellar-Sampallo, and I would like my son to be a Jr will my son need to have both last names? We also have 2 daughters and we only have them the last name of Cuellar. His Matthew would have one t instead of 2 ts like mine. It has to be exactly the same. Your husband and his dad can keep Sr.

And your son will be Angel Daniel Diaz Jr. This will also have to happen if he dies because if your husband remains a Jr. Please tell me he is incorrect. He is the 1st if he has no ancestors named like him. I believe it is very informal and pointless. Sounds like he may be insecure about his name or place in life and trying to make himself seem more noble or elite.

The father name is Tom Liam Smith Jr. The question is ok to name my baby the 3rd? No Bob—the name must be exact if you want to name him III. You can call him Bob or name another child Bob, but it would null a legacy if added. Naming a child IV Jr. You may insert a different middle name but that would not be the same legal name and he would then have NO suffix. Why would you name someone the IV Jr.?

That is improper. It is what an uneducated hillbilly would name his pig. Unless you want your son to have a comlex about how stupid his mom was name him the V. Unless you just want to be different at your sons expense. Not a selfish thing to do. Name your kid something that wont embarrass him. My grandson was named after his father whom is now also deceased he was alive when the child was born.

However, I argued with my daughter on this because her husband is named after his grandfather, whom is deceased his mothers father. Not his father. I told her my grandson would be a Jr. No the III.. His mother also argues this point so much as to start arguments because she refuses to understand the correct way to address this. I want to name my son after his father but he already has a son named after him can I still name by son after his father and would that make him the lll?

You can still name your son after his father and he will become III—see illustrations of Georgr Forman. My guess would be no.

It would be very confusing and the child would carry that burden his whole life long. Hello, so it all makes sense, but for example my husbands father technically the 1st is Rafael no middle name and paternal last name then his maternal last name attached no hyphenation just both last names on documents.

Now my husband would fall under that same situation, he would be Rafael no middle name also same paternal last name then his maternal last name attached which is different from his fathers. Can we start now, or yah, help??

My boyfrind is a Jr. His dad William Sr. Pasted away. And Mt bf a Sr. Since his dad is gone? If i have the same first name and last name as my grandfather but the middle names are different will i be Harvey Chatwin the II.

My wife and I would like to name our son after his paternal grandfather my father. Only thing is that my father is the III. Hi, i have a 5month old son. I put the suffix II after his first name. Can i be questioned about it? His fullname is Downey II A. Schmidt, Thank you for the great read. Your breakdown above makes a lot of sense, so I want to be able to explain to others how this works. However it seems like the common understanding of II vs Jr. Could you please direct me to an official source breaking it down the way you have, please?

Thank you again for the great article. My husbands name is identical to his fathers. He is the 2nd son but has always been referred to as Jr. The firstborn son was not named after his father and he insists the Jr can only apply if the firstborn son is named exactly as his father. The firstborn son and 2. Have identical name as the father. Can you clarify? My wife and I have been together since high school and she had a baby in high school that was not mine and I still wanted to give him my name so we did.

He is my stepson now that my wife and I are married does that make us Sr. Because his middle and surname are the name of his father, does that classify as Jr or II? My dad is alive and is named Lesly Rosenberg. He had me and called me Lesly Rosenberg Jr. Does that make him the third?? Or it starts over when the middle name changed? This article sums up the rules quite well, with cute cartoons to […]. Macalalag Jr and i want my son to be like Antonio Caleb M.

Macalalag III, are suffixes still apply? If Michael Smith, Jr. And would Michael Smith, Sr. Can you still classify as a junior if you have the same name but different spelling? Like John Christian Smith Sr. As a genealogist, I know my descendants will appreciate this. So, here is my question: You state all these rules as a matter of fact. But, are these practices based in law in all 50 states of the U. Or its just said after the full name? They named their first son also Craig David Duncan Jr.

If my boyfriend and I name our son Craig David Duncan will he be the third?? Thanks in advance! Would he call himself Dr. I would assume so since his legal name does not include the professional title. Is that correct? Your site is wonderful- clear, informative, and entertaining. For over 25 years as an adult I was in the military, so there was no real reason for using it. When I was kid I remembering mentioned to my dad that if I was a junior, it meant he was a senior.

I think I got my name due to pressure from his mother to continue her family name — her maiden name is our middle name. Or is it just the Roman numeral? My name is Walter Filmore IV. If me and my same sex partner, James Creed, get married and he wants to hyphenate, is there a way for me to remain a IV, and could my son still be a V with a hyphenated last name?

My father and I have exact same names. Except I have roman numeral II and he has no suffix. And I junior? It has bothered me most my life. Recently I was told my grandfather had affair with my mother. Could that then explain why the II is behind mine and none behind my dads? My grand father was named Frank Joesph Schilling deceased.

My dad is named Frank Edward Schilling without a II, actually he was and still is called Frank Jr erroneously in my opinion by many that are not super close friends. My son just born a few days ago is named Frank Edward Schilling. Being they wanted this prior to leaving the hospital, went with III. Let me know if this should be changed in your opinion.

I probably have a few days to change it before having to go through a larger process to change it later. Hello, I have a few questions. Ok, my Dad had a brother named John Clay, who died very young. He wanted to name me after himself or John Clay, after his brother.

He, instead, ended up honoring him still by naming me Clayton Keith. Well, I figured it would be a great honor to my family, and my late uncle, if I named my son John Clay. You said it can skip generations but can it be the brothers of the grandfather which would be his grand uncle. Would he be John Clay II? But, if this is for bibliographical software, RTFM to see what the software expects. William M. Delaney, Jr. Charles J.

Alden II William M. Smith, III, received a majority of the votes. John J. Alden II did not run for office this year. Yanhong Yanhong 17 1 1 bronze badge. That does not answer the question: " The suffix will always be at the end the meaning of suffix. Tim Lymington Featured on Meta.

Although it is commonly the firstborn son, it is not always the first, and it is just as valid if it is the tenth son. It is still a suffix, and supposed to be the last point of the name. Smith Jr. If the form does not have a box for Suffix, then put the JR in the box for last name following his last name.

Use full correct legal names in all places. Typical abbreviations which end with a period are: Mr. Note: Do not abbreviate professor to Prof. Dale Earnhardt, Jr. In a sentence, add a comma after Jr. The suffix III is used after either Jr. The suffix is an explanation of the first name, not the last.